The Brooklyn Grassroots Show Themselves in the CD-11 Race

The petitioning season just ended in Brooklyn. In the past, particularly in 2005, I found the efforts of the Brooklyn liberal grassroots to be largely all talk and little action. But in the NY-11 Congressional race in 2006, the progressive grassroots just did a dandy job petitioning.

Chris Owens is in a four-way race for the Democratic Primary. Owens is running a grassroots campaign with an all-volunteer petitioning effort. His opponants are spending far more money and have hired staff to help petition. In fact, I have seen his opponent David Yassky's huge paid army of volunteers petitioning all through the district. Yassky's almost exclusively white, clean-cut, paid army was a sharp contrast to the unpaid, diverse and perhaps a bit more ragged-looking volunteers petitioning for Chris (I was one of those ragged-looking volunteers).

Based on last year's poor showing by the Brookly grassroots, I had a secret fear that Chris was making a mistake relying on the grassroots for petitioning. My fears were re-enforced by the stories from IND that all those disenfranchised new members I wrote about before had been doing no petitioning. I knew that wasn't strictly true, but I wasn't sure that the disenfranchised were going to make a good showing.

Well, I do know that at least some of Chris' volunteers were people who had been disenfranchised by IND. So I am happy to say that this year, the Brooklyn grassroots, including those who IND felt were a threat, delivered 13,500 signatures for Chris, more than 10 times the required number.

I have no doubt that Chris' opponents will make a good showing from their petitioning efforts. But they had to pay staff to do it. Chris' signatures are an indication of the enthusiasm people have for his candidacy.

Chris has a great list of endorsements, including ImpeachPAC, Planned Parenthood Action Fund, Inc., Americans for Democratic Action PAC, Central Brooklyn Independent Democrats, Lambda Independent Democrats of Brooklyn (though some feel only due to packing), Democracy for NYC (by a record 96% vote!), New Democratic Majority, Progressive Democrats of America (PDA), Democratic Progressive Action Caucus (DPAC) and even the Brooklyn Green Party. Now he has made a very respectable showing in petitioning using all volunteers. So far so good...but will it take him to a primary victory?


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rwallnerny's picture

An interesting observation....

Yesterday, I had occasion to be walking up Flatbush Ave. and went right past the storefront headquarters of the Yassky campaign. I looked in the window from a distance and could see it was bustling with activity, maps on the walls, computers, all the things you'd expect to see at a campaign hq. But there was one thing I didn't see that I found quite interesting-- white people. Yes, I stared straight in the window of Yassky HQ and must have seen six or eight people walking around doing things, all of whom were african american.

In short it was just the sort of image that you'd think Yassky would want to be portraying given the racial rhetoric of the campaign. But the whole thing was too convenient-- Yassky has this storefront on Flatbush Ave. with big windows so anyone passing by can look in. I had to wonder how many of those people were being paid to sit in the storefront, to be seen from the streets, stuffing envelopes, and if he was specifically paying black people to do that, so he can convey to passersby that he has more biracial support than he likely does. Is Yassky that calculating? I mean at Chris Owens HQ, you can't even look in the windows from the street because there are signs in the windows. You'd have to go in to see who was there. But at Yassky the windows are big, devoid of signage, and you can see into the office from clear across the street. It made me wonder...


mole333's picture

Interesting!

Yassky has a huge paid staff, so I am sure most of the people you saw were paid, though I don't know what percentage. My main observation of the Yasskyite Army was at 7th Heaven, the Park Slope street fair that is prime petitioning territory. Both Yassky and AG candidate Maloney dominated the petitioning scene that day with huge numbers of workers. In the case of Yassky, I only saw white faces working for him, with one single exception. With Maloney I saw about as mixed a crowd as one could imagine, something I was rather surprised at for a good Irishman like Sean Patrick Maloney. It increased my support for the man.

I don't want to falsely accuse Yassky of having a predominantly white staff if it isn't true. But it is what I have observed and I know that his one black staff member from the early part of the campaign (prior to the staff increase that always heralds petitioning) quit over the race issue, though I never learned the details.

The key point I want to make is not racial, of course. Yassky is hiring staff, and I am sure he is hiring from whatever pool is available. The color of his staff will reflect two things: who is interested in that kind of job and who chooses to work for him. It might in no way reflect Yassky's preferences in any way.

The main point is that Yassky (and, from what I hear, Clarke and Andrews) are paying people to help them out. Chris is depending on the enthusiasm of his supporters. So the petitioning efforts of those who pay their staffs, though getting the job done, is in no way a valid indication of the level of support. It is an indication of how many people he can pay to get out on the streets. With Chris, the effort is a sign of community enthusiasm.

But what really interests me is that the effort this year is genuinely something the grassroots can be proud of. If we can keep the momentum building, the progressive grassroots could play a strong role in this election the same way it has in getting Lamont in CT up from no-chance to long-shot and how it helped Jon Tester actually WIN his primary in MT. I want to see the volunteer army beat the paid army because it will validate having faith in the grassroots.


Anonymous Coward's picture

Does anyone know what the

Does anyone know what the other guys got?


Anonymous Coward's picture

Chris beats Yassky

I just found out that David Yassky only got 8,000 signatures. Compared to Chris' 13000+, which was done by volunteers not like Mr. Yassky’s paid mercenaries proves his grassroots campaign is coming together. Chris seems to have gained some great momentum in the district.


mole333's picture

Really?

Where do you get your info, if you don't mind my asking. It would be HUGE if Chris' volunteer force beat Yassky's paid army. Yassky had so many more people on the ground in the places I saw petitioning going on. Number of signitures is not the best measure of a candidate's chances, but when you factor in paid vs. volunteer, million dollars vs. shoestring, I think it really matters!

I have heard vague rumors that at least one other candidate beat Chris. But no numbers of confirmation.


Green in Brooklyn's picture

Petitioning for Owens continues

The petitioning for the primary may be done, but we in the Green party have just begun. Because we don't have ballot status (something we hope to change with Malachy McCourt as our candidate for Governor this year), we need to get 3750 valid signatures to get Chris Owens on the ballot in November as a Green.

Why is this important, you ask? Well, what happens if Yassky squeaks our a plurality win in September? The WFP has stayed neutral, and so Novemeber could mean a two-way race between Owens and Yassky, and I think we all know who would win that race.

So if you haven't already signed a petition for Owens, keep your eyes out for Green party folks on the streets and at events, and help us out!


Anonymous Coward's picture

Chris Beat Yassky Part 2

On David Yassky's website Yassky has a story that says David Yassky submits 8,000 signatures, and I know your facts are correct about Chris's 13500. So Chris beat Yassky without one paid petitioner.


rwallnerny's picture

petition numbers

In all fairness, only 1,250 signatures are required for new york state congressional races, so both candidates had many thousands more than needed. If Yassky was paying for his petitions, he'd have been wasting money to pay for more than the eight thousand he got. Was he supposed to pay for 16,000 signatures when he only needed 1,250 just so he could "beat" Chris Owens?

Chris's petition drive was great, but I'm more concerned about fundraising and he's been seriously lagging way behind Yassky (and the other candidates for that matter). It would have been better if each signator had given money at the same time.

In a low turnout election, as this one will be, it doesn't take the most passionate supporters, it takes the most effective GOTV (get out the
vote) operation, and that takes money. Lots of money. We learned this the hard way last year in Norman Siegel's campaign for Public Advocate. Norman had the progressives all over the city in his corner, and way more people passionate about the candidate and energized working for his campaign than Betsy Gotbaum. Norman collected more signatures than Betsy did I believe, all collected by volunteers, and we petitioned all over the city, and if you judged by enthusiasm, you'd have thought he'd win by a mile. Didn't happen that way. On election day, Gotbaum had the money and organization to do GOTV, to get her people to the polls, and she won easily. I see the same enthusiam for Chris among progressives that I saw for Norman last year. Norman lost. Badly. So lets not go jumping up and down over succesful petition drives, there's a lot of work to do for Chris to win. We already know Yassky will have the money to do effective GOTV on election day, we don't know yet what Chris is going to be able to do because unlike Yassky, Chris still needs to raise a lot more money.


mole333's picture

Yep

True indeed...and it was the failure of the grassroots to deliver for Norm on election day that bothered me about 2005...that and the complete failure of the grassroots for Paul Wooten.

But...petitioning is also a little bit of a pissing contest and in this case Chris pissed further. Also, what I am hoping, pissing contest aside, is that the huge effort for Chris petitioning is indicative of what his supporters will do with GOTV. If so, Chris will surprise people. If not...well the analogy with Norm Siegel (who has endorsed Chris) is apt.


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1) If the Owens number is

1) If the Owens number is real, it's great by any measure, but still I'd be curious what percentage from each candidate is door to door as opposed to street. Certainly much of IND, BID, and southern Brooklyn for Yassky is door to door, as is CBID and possibly 57th (Batson) for Chris and 43rd, 57th and other Central Brooklyn clubs for Andrews. If I had to guess, I'd say Chris has a higher percentage of street than anyone but Yvette, with Andrews having the most door to door. Clubs which qualify County Committee generally have the most door to door signatures, which by their nature are of the best quality for qualifying candidates, with the fewest out of district; by contrast, most street signaures have a high percenatge of crap (of course, this is less true in a statewide race, where nobody is out of district, but even there street sigs generally have a higher percentage of non-Dems).

2) The one bad thing about the election law reform which eliminated the requirement to state the number of signatures is that it allows everyone to lie to the press and public.

3) The Green Party should not be so sanguine; WFP nominated a placeholder who will likely be nominated for Supreme Court in the fall allowing them to substitute either Andrews or Clarke depending upon who looks stronger. As long as Bertha Lewis lives and breathes they won't substitute Owens. Thus, in the event of a Yassky victory in the primary, any Green Party effort on behalf of Owens in the general will just help to ensure Yassky's election, unless the idea is solely to draw white from Yassky to benefit the real black candidate.


mole333's picture

Quality of Signatures

True enough regarding the quality of signatures and I have been wondering. I also assume, though could well be wrong here, that if you are paying staff training is a part of the process while it is harder to properly train an all volunteer staff. So Chris may well have a lower percentage of quality signatures. A counter to my latter point may be that volunteer staff is going to really care while there is no reason for paid staff to care about the quality of the signatures unless they are being paid per quality signature. So don't know. But, as you say, it still looks good for Chris if the numbers are true.

IND in particular is known for the quality of their petitioning and they did well--3500 signatures (I went and checked). But not all of them will be on petitions that included Yassky. I also know for a fact that Chris' people were looking carefully at the signatures for quality and trying to clean up their petitions.


gatemouth's picture

Quality

Petitions are generally cleaned to eliminate possible fraud and other problems which might imperil otherwise good witnesses, or in some cases, entire volumes, or even the entire petition. Genrally, unless an entire sheet is demonstrably out of district, it would not be eliminated during cleaning, so the fact that a petition has been sufficiently cleaned does not really indicate what percentage of its individual signatures are valid.


Green in Brooklyn's picture

WFP

Actually, Owens would be on the ballot as a Green before the primary, and therefore before the WFP puts someone else on the ballot, so it would be the WFP insuring Yassky's win, not the Greens.

so maybe it's the WFP that shouldn't be so sanguine


Anonymous Coward's picture

wrong

how do you know all yassky petitioners were paid?


mole333's picture

Who said "all?"

First off, I know IND petitioned for him and they are not paid. So I never said "all." But no one denies that he had a large paid staff. Are you trying to deny he had a large paid staff?


rwallnerny's picture

Campaign Finances

Here's an item from today's New York Sun, that backs up what I was saying about the campaign finances:

"Incidentally, here's an item from today's New York Sun about CD 11 campaign finances:
(source: http://www.nysun.com/article/36117?page_no=4)

"In the race to replace Rep. Major Owens of Brooklyn, who is retiring, a City Council member, David Yassky, has more money than his three opponents in the Democratic primary, combined. Since January, Mr. Yassky has raised $371,290 and has a total of $858,497 left in his campaign account. A state senator, Carl Andrews, has $295,754 in his congressional campaign account; a City Council member, Yvette Clarke, has $81,793, and Christopher Owens, the congressman's son, has $45,940."

This speaks volumes about the true state of the race, and why I'm so worried about Chris's campaign. What is likely to happen is that come election day, the two candidates with the the biggest GOTV efforts will be Yassky and Andrews. Yassky has far and away the most money, and Andrews has a chunk of money and more importantly Elliot Spitzer's endorsement. When voters go to the polls that day, they will no doubt be handed cards by Spitzer's people that have Elliot Spitzer's smiling face, and the slate of candidates he is backing underneath. Many voters who have no interest in the CD 11 race, may well pull the lever for Andrews simply because he's Elliot's guy and they came to the polls to vote for Elliot.

So I'm not getting my hopes up for Chris based on strong petitioning efforts.


mole333's picture

It is a problem

Chris does need more money. But so far Yassky's money isn't doing him as much good as I (and probably he) had expected. Andrews will have the machine's GOTV, so very real factor. Chris will have the same people who were carrying the petitions. I am pretty sure they will be out there for GOTV. So that is a factor that may be unpredictable--will they show (probably) and will it have an effect (remains to be seen). So Chris is still a player, though needs more cash.


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