Gaius Michael Caesar

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Apparently, Mayor (or should that be "dictator"?) Bloomberg's plan to extend term limits would only apply to him, and his current cronies. This according to the NY Times.

In addition, he vetoed the 2002 bill that extended term limits (LA Times story), saying that "the proposed law was wrong because elected officials shouldn't be changing rules to benefit themselves politically."

And he apparently has some lap dogs at the NY Times editorial board.

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Gothanonymous Reader's picture

Mistake to Ignore City Council

I think it is a mistake to focus simply on the Mayor's race and ignore the damage to democracy that will come from allowing the City Council to run for another term as well. Bloomberg is doing this with their cooperation. For Councilmembers to run for a third term after passing their own extension is reprehensible. Even if they do not vote for it, members that run again for a third term should be voted out of office.

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Dan Jacoby's picture

"If" it passes

That's a very large "if." Several City Council members have lined up against it, while very few are on public record as supporting this particular extension.

BTW, Christine Quinn is on record as opposing any extension of term limits via legislation. Check out her statements last December, as reported in the NY Post.

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sidnora's picture

You're more optimistic

than I am.

Term-limited councilmembers with viable campaigns for other offices (DeBlasio, Quinn) will be able to stand in plausible opposition, but the majority, whose jobs are on the line with no obvious alternative in sight, will welcome this like flowers in spring. They're just waiting for a way to do it safely.

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Barry Popik's picture

Cartoonist Thomas Nast warned against "Caesarism."

Harpers Weekly cartoonist Thomas Nast warned against "Caesarism" in the 19th century. Nast was totally against a third term for President Ulysses S. Grant. Unfortunately, we no longer have a paper like Harpers Weekly with the integrity to fight "Caesarism" anymore.

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Dan Jacoby's picture

Coincidence?

I was just reading yesterday about the career of Thomas Nast. It was a chapter in a book on "Boss" Tweed. Any comparison to Nast is greatly appreciated (especially as Tweed and I have the same birthday).

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Barry Popik's picture

Tell Ron Lauder that this stinks!

FYI, I just did a "Caesarism" post (http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/caesarism/), although I made more extensive notes on the subject in the early 1990s. The "Caesarism" donkeys are from 1873 and the Democratic donkeys were popularized in 1876. All were influenced by Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream," where a character is turned into an ass.

Tell Ron Lauder that this stinks! This is going to be made PERMANENT, for EVERYBODY (mayor, public advocate, borough presidents, city council members), and WITHOUT A VOTE BY THE PUBLIC.

Bloomberg is an ass!

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sidnora's picture

Ron Lauder

thinks this this is just fine. Please see yesterday's New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/opinion/02lauder.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=Ro...

Then weep.

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Dan Jacoby's picture

A little bragging

This got a link from Liz Benjamin's blog today.

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Gothanonymous Reader's picture

Unless we really fight, this will pass

I think that you are seriously underestimating this proposal. Many City Councilmembers have been working towards this for over a year. Sure, you will have some members that will be coy and some that will vote against it, but all you need is the majority. If only thirty members vote for it, and over twenty vote against it, the measure will still pass, and this fact gives many Councilmembers in reform districts, or districts where this will be unpopular, the ability to protect their asses. Right now, the Councilmembers are using Bloomberg almost as a Trojan Horse, hiding within his popularity to seek their own spoils while the public sleeps. The best way to defeat this is to put pressure on our Councilmembers by letting them know that if they vote for this, OR, if they run again, they will face a primary election in the Democratic primary.

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Gothanonymous Reader's picture

Well..if nobody has heard

Well..if nobody has heard yet, Councilman Domenic "Dumb" Recchia has just endorsed Brooklyn Borough President "Party Hearty" Marty Markowitz for a third term. I guess the rumors were correct. Recchia couldn't make it the Congressional Race ,his colleague Councilman Mike McMahon & his friend Vito Lopez threw him under the bus (he deserved it by the way) so he'll sell his soul just so he can keep his council seat. Mayor Mike bought his vote on Congestion Pricing & other policies ( he got an extra million or so from Mayor Mike), so I guess Mr. Recchia can be bought again for his vote in the Council to extend term limits. What a guy. WHAT A REAL BUM! I think it's about time we send Mr. Recchia a message, No Third Term, NO Way, NO Recchia!

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ROSALIE907's picture

Don't Worry About Recchia

He didn't get "thrown under the bus" by Lopez and McMahon. These were 2 of the people that wanted him to run for the Congressional seat in CD-13 and I'm sure he's getting treated just fine by both of them. I happen to live in his council district (Fossella and Recchia, how luck can I get)and I know of at least 4 possible contenders. One is Brian Gottlib who was handpicked by Recchia.

We've got to get on this quickly in order to have the highest impact. We can't sit on our hands until a day before they vote.

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Dan Jacoby's picture

Handicapping term limit extensions

First of all, Chris Quinn's statement last December leaves her no wiggle room; if she reneges on it, she's toast. That means she must use every power she has to prevent a bill from coming to a vote.

Five members, (Barron, Comrie, de Blasio, Oddo and Vallone) have plans to run for Borough President (although Comrie has expressed second thoughts). In addition to Quinn, six other members (Avella, Gioia, Katz, Liu, Weprin, Yassky) are planning to run for citywide office -- and don't be surprised to see Felder back in that mix.

If, as expected, Scott Stringer runs for Public Advocate, look for as many as three (Brewer, Jackson, Lappin) to run for Manhattan BP.

Addabbo and Gennaro are running for state Senate, and McMahon is running for Congress. If they win, their replacements won't dare vote for it (it will be a campaign issue in a special election), and if they lose then voting for it will look so much like sour grapes that their future political careers are finished too.

At least three (Dickens, Garodnick, Gonzalez) have been mentioned as a possible Speaker next term, so you can bet they are at least thinking about it; they don't want to give that possibility away.

That's 22 who, while they cannot necessarily be counted on as definite "no" votes (although some of them are on record), would have to be leaning that way because they don't want to mess up their own plans. Add four more from among the 29 -- and if we can't find four who are, at the very least, afraid of losing their jobs if they vote to extend term limits we're in bigger trouble than the current financial mess -- and there's a majority.

Sure, Ron Lauder and Marty Markowitz support it. Lauder loves Bloomberg, and Markowitz wants to be Brooklyn BP forever. Big deal. Show me someone without a personal interest who supports this. Then add the basic fact that it's a hideous repudiation of democracy.

I said it before, and I have no reason to change my mind: This has no chance of happening.

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Dan Jacoby's picture

Caesar refused the crown

Liz Benjamin reports that Michaelus Bloombergus refused the crown -- just like someone from history.

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Gothanonymous Reader's picture

Are you serious Dan?

Who is going to toast her? You? She will go back on what she said, just like Bloomberg did, simple as that. As for those candidates looking for higher office, that was before all of this came down from up high. Now they have to rethink everything, and some of them, the ones that really didn't stand a chance running for higher office, will be much happier running for the safe re-election to their City Council seat. The candidate running for another office that have a good chance of winning, McMahon, Gennaro, will do what they are told and vote for this. I hate to say it, but you are being very, very naive about all of this.

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Dan Jacoby's picture

Who's going to toast her?

Me, Citizens Union, Norman Siegel (who's a lousy candidate but a great advocate), NYPIRG, and many, many other people and organizations, that's who.

Those candidates who are seeking higher office may be thinking about rethinking, but they're not ready to give up their aspirations. Also, they know that their odds of moving up five years from now go down significantly if they vote to extend term limits, because the people and groups mentioned above will remember, and that will figure into their thinking as well.

One more thing -- as with any issue like this, the forces that are organized always get the early lead. In this case, it's Mayor Bloomberg, who has been working this angle for months. Now that it's in the news, the opposing forces will organize and catch up, long before it comes time for a final decision. That's what happened with voting machines, that's what's happening with a variety of development (or rather, "overdevelopment") projects, and that's what is beginning to happen with term limits. I'm not naive; I've been there.

I'll say it again -- if Christine Quinn goes back on what she said in December, she's toast. Not only will she be lambasted for her flip-flop, but also she loses what's left of her credibility as a reformer. That's her "base," and if she loses that, she has nothing left.

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sidnora's picture

Thanks for

your smart, optimistic analysis. You've given me some hope, but I must mention that I have friends who are smart enough to know better, who are such big Bloomberg fans that they'd have no problem tossing the rule of law under the bus if it buys him a third term.

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Dan Jacoby's picture

Bill Thompson stands firm

Last month, Bill Thompson spoke out against extending term limits via legislation.

Today, after Mayor Bloomberg's announcement, the following statement appeared on Thompson's Facebook page (and probably elsewhere): “I am extremely disappointed in Mayor Bloomberg’s announcement. I have always taken the Mayor at his word, particularly when he said on multiple occasions that altering term limits through a council vote would be disgraceful. Let me be clear: today’s announcement constitutes an attempt to suspend democracy. We should not undermine the will of the voters.”

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