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Worse than worthless: Green claims of major-party equivalency

In this installment of my ongoing series on the Green Party – prior posts are here and here - I’ll look at the most baseless Green claim, which is that there is no meaningful distinction to be made between the two major parties. This claim betrays, at best, a breathtaking naïveté about the republican party, and at worst deliberate dishonesty.
Let’s review:
I’m sorry, you were saying about there being no differences? What part of "insane Nazis are running the country" do you not understand?
I’m the first to admit that the Democratic Party isn’t perfect. And there are indeed some parallels in structure – structure, not policy - between the two parties – parallels that stem mainly from the overall way in which elections are fought in this country.
But to claim that the Democratic Party is indistinguishable from the fanatical snarling rabble across the aisle is to say that there is no difference between the common cold and terminal cancer, between stubbing your toe and getting gang-raped.
Structural parallels
As noted above, there are structural parallels between the two parties, most certainly at a national level. I’d argue that these stem from the way in which we finance elections; and just coming off working in fundraising for a Congressional campaign, maybe I can say with some authority that this process is broken. In short, political fundraising involves candidates getting on the phone and calling people, asking for money. Aside from the fact that this is a degrading process, it also ensures structurally that any candidate of any party will spend a disproportionate amount of time talking to a select demographic – people with cash to spare – and not with a broader cross-section of the public. It is naïve to believe that these calls do not, at some level, influence policy agendas in ways that in turn benefit that donor class at the expense of the broader public. Say you’re running in an election and a given PAC gives you a nice fat check for $5,000 (which is the legal limit under McCain-Feingold); are you going to take a call from that PAC when it is interested in specific legislation?
The answer to this problem is not, however, to vote for a Green, for two reasons. First, the enthusiastic way they prostitute themselves for republican money – witness Pennsylvania’s Senate race – doesn’t promise that they’re any better. Second, assuming for a moment that a Green gets elected somewhere, he or she would be even more dependent than a major-party legislator on said big-money donors; this because the Greens do not have the structure in place to substitute for these donors. Every legislator wants to get re-elected; and considering how eagerly Greens sell themselves to republicans, I’d argue that they would equally eagerly solicit the moneyed interests to retain their tenure.
The answer to this particular problem is simple: public financing of elections. Mind you, that’s a can of worms for many reasons, but we’d get better politics and governance out of it. Voting for a Green would likely strengthen it, both if that Green gets elected, and if he or she does not, because the Democrat would need to raise more money to get the message out and drive people to the polls.
Policy differences – values populism versus economic populism
Another superficial parallel between the two major parties is that both embrace a form of populism. The republicans have crafted, in a rather clever move considering that their policies are aimed at creating a new aristocracy of the super-wealthy, a political appeal based on values populism. In practice, this means that they push christianist tropes, messages centered on the family – though news reports show that their own families don’t quite live up to the beau ideal - as well as storylines that embrace an idealized version of America’s past; the Fifties, just without the lynchings. This is powerful stuff, and nicely obscures, again, that republican policies engender the reverse of the outcomes they pretend to promote.
On the other hand are the Democrats, whose populism is the straight-up Roosevelt economic kind. This is, I feel strongly, what we need more of: to put the government to work as an engine of Progressive social change and economic uplift. Activists such as David Sirota are relentlessly pushing the Democrats in this direction; and while there are subtle distinctions between Progressivism and Populism, the result will be, and already is, a Democratic Party firmly committed to the greatest good for the greatest number.
This is, to me, the key philosophical distinction between the Democrats as the party of the left and the other party on the right: our policies are intended overall (though there are exceptions, mainly due to the failings of individuals) to benefit the broad mass of people with specific attention to those at the lower end of the economic totem pole. Republican policies, by contrast, engender a hybrid of social Darwinism for the working class and coddling socialism for the rich, nicely garnished with pandering to the worst instincts of the American people: religious intolerance, racism and homophobia.
By contrast, the Green Party specifically, perhaps systemically, renounces populism, being as they are mainly a plaything of white coastal elites with too much time on their hands. Fair enough; but their advocacy of elite issues, coupled with a reluctance to embrace the values of the working class – which very much include patriotism, for example – will render the Greens forever impotent, or more to the point, forever the perennial spoilers.
The regional nature of the major parties
Northeastern liberals look with some displeasure at Southern Democrats (in a historic divide as old as the Republic), while, say, Texas republicans have little use for the likes of George Pataki, not that anyone really does. The fact is that, very broadly, there are ideological distinctions between regions of the country. The Northeast is famously liberal, the South conservative, the Midwest used to be pragmatic, and the West will always be libertarian more than anything else; California, of course, is its own universe.
What has never really been analyzed to my knowledge is the interplay of legislators from the various parts of the country, and how these differences affect party ideological cohesion. It's easy for us constituents to demand that our legislators vote exactly as we expect; however, all legislators must satisfy their constituents, including those from Iowa and Nebraska. It's a bit much to expect that all Democrats across the country bow and scrape to the agenda of the Northeast. For our legislators, it means they must inevitably arrive at some lower common denominator in terms of policy, otherwise they wind up with policies unpalatable in large sections of the country.
The larger point is this: when national parties coalesce, they tend to develop policies that are intended to have broad appeal in their constituencies across the nation. The inevitable result is that some of those constituencies wind up with half a loaf. Unfortunate, but that's the consequence of living in a continental republic.
Here again, the basically elitist nature of the Green Party becomes clear – they are not in need of any such compromises, be they regional or ideological, because they everywhere feed off the same class of, let's face it, cranky white liberals. The Democratic Party, of course, needs to satisfy a much wider base – labor, for example, which has always looked askance at the ethereal cloud castles of the Greens.
The dilemma of Democrats bashing other Democrats
Too right, too left, too soft on issues, too uncompromising on others, too soft on defense, too hawkish: put three Democrats in a room, and you'll get at least five opinions on what is wrong with the party. These opinions are often enough mutually exclusive.
Hence, when the Greens show up with their siren songs – "You don't have to ever compromise, just come over to us, everything is so pretty, fa la la la la" – they'll always find an audience. This because, if there is one thing the left generally does with Olympian perfection, it is infighting.
The problem I see here is this: of course the Democratic Party can be made better. But what we can't have, if we ever want to stop the destruction of our country by the right, is this eternal carping about how awful Democrat X is on issue Y that he or she voted against in year Z. Take into consideration, just as an experiment, that you may hold a given view that most people do not share; what are you going to concentrate on, that or the many other areas here you're in agreement with others?
The Green answer is simple: focus on the differences, and exploit them for all they are worth in their cynical, destructive attempt to... I don't know, do something or other. The question is whether or not we can afford that. As noted, these are very unusual times, with a conservative movement in power dedicated to debasing everything that we hold dear. Recognizing that simple, clear fact is key to the survival of the Republic and the Democratic Party itself.




THIS is what pisses me off the most about Greens
It is the claims that Democrats and republicans are "the same" taht I detest most about the Greens. This is what soured me more even than their strategic foolishness.
Sheldon Silver = Joe
Sheldon Silver = Joe Bruno
Mario Cuomo = George Pataki
Eliot Spitzer = George Pataki
Chris Quinn = Peter Vallone = Mike Bloomberg
Mike Bloomberg = Rudy Giuliani
Dan Doctoroff = Charles Gargano
They are ALL the same. No difference other than rhetoric.
Demopublicans
Republicrats
I wish it weren't so, but it is.
Dems are supposed to save people from the sins of the Republicans, but they don't and all they have is a lot of mush.
Yawn.
No, not even this holds up. For example, Joe Bruno's caucus regularly offers bills - usually from Serph Maltese - to outlaw or otherwise restrict abortion. These bills then go on to die in the Assembly.
And again, show me a Democrat who's as bad as Santorum or Coulter. Show me a republican who's as good as Howard Dean.
And Silver's Assembly
And Silver's Assembly regularly offers up bills they know will die in the Senate for the sole purpose of fooling the electorate into thinking they are actually fighting for New Yorkers.
As bad as Coulter?
Vito Lopez
Roger Green
Clarence Norman
Virginia Fields
Charlie Rangel
As good as Dean?
Who says Dean is good? The Dems have Chucky Schumer and Hillary's pants.
Horrible Demapublicans
Greens (of which I am not one) are indeed foolish, but they aren't wrong.
Rangel = Coulter?
Sorry, you've just disqualified yourself from being taken seriously. Last I checked, just for starters, Rangel wasn't calling for a truck-bombing of the New York Times.
Not all dems are the same as
Not all dems are the same as all republicans, but most of them do feed at the same corporate/lobbyist trough. Just take a look at where all the lobbyists are sending their money this year, and how many corporations give to both sides of the aisle, and you have a good idea of why people have such a low opinion of both sides of the aisle. Make no mistake, if the dems do take over he house and senate (it looks likely for at least the former), it will not be b/c americans have decided they want to give Dems another shot, or believe in their so-called ideals, it'll be b/c the republicans are so corrupt and ineffective, just the way the dems were in 1994.
Ed Towns
Clarence Norman
Joe Lieberman
Hillary AIPAC Clinton
Chuck worthless press conference a day Schumer
the list goes on
only 33 Senate votes for Habeus Corpus and against TORTURE!!!!!
spineless
Yeah...
And 100% of Greens vote for Torture.
Right?
Or so it could be argued since they are responsible fof Bush's supremacy.
I am no fan of particular Democrats. But when I look at the diversity of supprorters of the various parties, the ONLY party that looks like the diversity of America is the Democratic Party. Republicans and most minor parties, INCLUDING Greens, are mostly white and middle class or upper class. Dems cover the whole spectrum. Maybe not equally, but they cover it.
Until Greens do far better in terms of diversity and in terms of NOT helping Republicans win, then maybe I will consider their point of view. Until then, I will support the NAACP voter fund, the National Jewish Democratic Council, and the Indigenous Democratic Network. THEY are the groups that best reflect the diversity of America. Greens really don't. They really only reflect at tiny and not very savvy part of America.
some diversity
I'll be the first to admit that the Greens have less diversity in NYC than we should. However, that's not true everywhere, as is evidenced by MAPA (Mexican American Political Association) endorsement of Peter Camejo for Governor in CA.
Right.
... and meanwhile, Greens let republicans pay for their campaigns. This is better because why?
You guys wear your hypocrisy very well, I must say. Corporate money bad, republican money good.
I'd also note, again, that three quarters of Dems voted against the torture bill, and that 0% of republicans did the same. Kind of makes my argument; and by the way, it's "Habeas Corpus". So if you want to stop future republican torture bills, vote for the Democrat. It does make a difference.
Democrats lost my vote when
Democrats lost my vote when they voted in Clinton. He should have been impeached for pretending to be a Democrat, not for getting a BJ. Sure he's likable, but remember, he's a founding father of DLC, the Lieberman side. Most Dems these days are like that. Look at do-nothing Hillary.
Malcolm Smith:
"One prominent African-American Democrat, citing Smith's support for Mayor Bloomberg and other Republicans, said he'd campaign against him, saying, "He's spent more time being a Republican than a Democrat.""
- Daily News
And this guy will be the leader of the Senate Dems, telling you how much the Demapublicans are serious about doing things. Even if they take back the Senate, nothing will change.
He comes out of Demapublican Floyd Flake's conservative "club".
So Bush = Clinton, eh?
Again, you lost me when you compared Coulter to Rangel. Not making up any ground there, pal.
That's because you're a
That's because you're a Demapublican.
Demapublicans
Demapublicans
Hehehe.
The Greens are out in force, I see.
No, I posted the link to the
No, I posted the link to the photo. I'm not a Green. I agree they can be foolish when it comes to strategy and organization. But on the substance and merits of the issues, they tower over Democratic apologists.
Sure many Republicans are evil. Dems are suuposed to save people from that evil. Dems not only fail to do that. They go along.
This blog isn't progressive. It's a hoax.
Just curious
...based on what? And what would you point to that is really progressive, as opposed to us?
This should be interesting.
Why they take donations from Republicans
First of all, most Democrats get a lot of money from Republicans, and lots more from corporations and corporate PACS whose boards of directors read like a Republican leadership council list. For the big donors, campaign coffers are just another hedge fund. If you peruse FEC or Open Secrets files, you'll find that Democrats get at least 1000 dollars of Republican money for every dollar a Green gets from Republicans.
Second of all, the Democratic Party spent over 20 million dollars in 2004 to keep Ralph Nader and various Green candidates off various state ballots. But they spent nothing, I repeat nothing, suing the state of Ohio for a recount that, if done properly, should have made John Kerry president. Who raised that money and filed that lawsuit? Former Green Party Co-chair Ben Manski through his long-standing "No Stolen Elections" group, Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, and Libertarian Michael Badnarik. I also note that while Libertarians can be expected to draw right-wing votes away from Republicans, the Republicans have spent nothing to keep Libertarians off any ballots. This sort of thing is a Democratic Party conceit that it humiliates itself in performing.
Some would argue that the 20 million Democratic Party clams (and the legal talent it was hiring) would have been better spent promoting Kerry or getting Bush knocked off ballots, such as in Florida, where the Bush petitions were filed after the deadline but were left alone by the Democrats under some perverted "gentleman's agreement." At the very least it should have gone to support Kerry's specious campaign promise that he would make sure every 2004 vote got counted.
The Greens have only 300,000 members. The Democrats have around 50 million. Why is it acceptable for Democrats to throw 20 million dollars worth of lawsuits at preventing Green and other independent candidacies, and it's not OK for those candidates to piece together whatever pittance they can to help get their petitions photocopied and then defend themselves against attack?
Sure, the Republicans have an angle in coming up with some of that money, but that has no bearing on the rights of independents and the Democrat-generated necessity of raising ballot access and defense funds.
You don't want Greens taking Republican money? Stop spending so much trying to suppress them, and we can call it even. Of course, you'll still have to account for why so much Republican and Republican PAC money is in Democratic Party coffers, and how that may influence the ideological schizophrenia that keeps the Democratic Party from functioning as force for progress.